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The initial diagnosis of Michael Vick’s injury was a fractured right hand. However, a CT scan today revealed that there was in fact no break and that the QB had only sustained a contusion to the hand. Andy Reid explained what led to the faulty diagnosis.
“Today, he had a scan and it showed there was no break,” Reid said. “It was a blood vessel sitting above the bone. That happens at times with X-rays. The blood vessel makes it look like it was a fracture. There is still a bunch of swelling. It is sensitive to the touch. The positive is there is not a fracture there.”
While the news that there is no break is certainly very positive for the next several weeks as the recovery time will certainly be shorter for a contusion, but we also can’t downplay what a contusion means. There’s significant swelling and pain which at this point make it very likely that he would struggle to grip a ball with his right hand. While that isn’t his throwing hand, he still has to take snaps with it and secure the ball in case of a hit as well. If he can’t do those things, obviously he can’t play QB.
So, now it’s all down to how the hand responds and how quickly the swelling goes down. Whether or not he plays next week against San Francisco is entirely dependent on that. However, the good news is that since the hand is not broken, this will be a short term injury at best. That’s contrary to the initial reports that he could be out for up to a month.
The Giants came into a Philadelphia riding a six game losing streak against the Eagles. They left with a 29-16 loss and the Eagles in shambles. Michael Vick did not finish the game for the second straight week, this time falling victim to a broken hand. The injury appeared to happen after Vick was knocked to the ground after a play in the third quarter. He went to the locker room for x-rays, but returned to the game before even missing a snap. In fact, on the next drive he would lead the Eagles down the field for a FG to give them their first lead of the day. However, on the next drive Vick stayed on the bench as Mike Kafka entered the game and proceeded to throw a pick on his first attempt.
There is really only one Eagle deserving of praise this afternoon and that's RB LeSean McCoy. Shady ran all over the G-man to the tune of 128 yards and a TD, but his singular effort was simply not enough as the Eagles were poor in almost every other facet of the game. The coaching decisions were awful, with the worst being the decision to go for it on 4th down from midfield in the 4th quarter. The Eagles failed to convert and the Giants scored the go-ahead TD on the following drive.
The offense outside of McCoy was just all around bad. Michael Vick was once again hit time and time again and frankly didn't look entirely healthy all day. Steve Smith did his old team a solid by gifting the Giants the first turnover of the game when he let a pass bounce right off his hands into those of Aaron Ross. It took at least three points away from the Eagles and led to a Giants TD. Then of course, there was the slew of penalties against the offensive line...
The defense was again very poor any time the team really needed a stop. This has become a bit of a recurring theme. They sacked Eli Manning three times and had some great three and out series... but any time the Eagles really needed a stop, whether it was after a turnover or late in the game, they failed. And when they fail, they do it big. We're not talking about FGs here, we're talking about TDs every single time. It was the exact same story last week.
The Eagles were simply outplayed and outcoached by a team that I think most would agree is not as talented as them. That's the bottom line. It's inexcusable and now we've got serious questions going forward. This defense is officially not good. The offense now has to be a question with Vick hurt.
The Eagles will next welcome the 2-1 49ers to town.
The Eagles and Giants have traded big quarters as they head into the half at a near standstill at Lincoln Financial Field. Philadelphia went straight down the field on their opening drive, but it was ended when former Giants Steve Smith had a Michael Vick pass bounce off his hands and into the air for Aaron Ross to pick it off. It was clearly not the impression the former Giant was looking to have on his old team.
The Giants responded with a quick drive that ended with a 40 yard TD pass to Brandon Jacobs, who took advantage of blow coverage by Casey Matthews on the play. The Giants struck quick on their next drive as well when Eli Manning found Victor Cruz for a 70 yard TD pass. The play was a comedy of errors for the Eagles defense, which saw Kurt Coleman and Nnamdi Asomugha run into one another, taking themselves out of the play and clearing a path for Cruz to scamper for an easy TD.
However, the Eagles fortunes would start to turn. The Eagles would run 9 times on the ensuing drive to get the ball down to near the goal line, but they would be forced to settle for a FG. On the Giants next possession, they would decide to go for it on 4th and 3 from outside the Eagles 30 yard line. Eli Manning found TE Travis Beckum with what should have been an easy first down, but Beckum fell down short of the first down marker and the Giants turned it over on downs. LeSean McCoy would cap off a long Eagles drive with a dazzling five yard run in which he made no less than five Giants miss.
The Eagles would then force a quick 3-and-out and add another field goal just as time ran out in the half.
14-13 Giants after two quarters.
Giants: RB Da’Rel Scott, G Mitch Petrus, T James Brewer, WR Mark Clayton, CB Prince Amukamara, DE Osi Umenyiora, WR Mario Manningham
Eagles: S Jaiquawn Jarrett, CB Curtis Marsh, DE Darryl Tapp, G Danny Watkins, G Julian Vandervelde, T Winston Justice, DE Juqua Parker
The Eagles host the New York Giants today at 1pm for their home opener at Lincoln Financial Field. Today's game is tied for the latest Eagles home opener ever, with a game against Dallas on September 25th, 1971. The game will be shown on FOX with Kenny Albert, Daryl Johnston and Tony Siragusa doing the call. You can also catch the game on the radio simulcast on 94.1-FM and 610-AM WIP.
Eagles DT Cullen Jenkins, who is currently tied for the team lead in sacks, says today's game will be "huge."
"It's huge, especially with it being the home opener. That's probably what it takes to win right there, starting it off with a win as your home record. It sets the standard for what other teams are going to expect coming in here. It's a lot of motivation and a lot of hype going out there."
The Eagles are going for their seventh straight win over the Giants, with last year's pair of wins both coming via a fourth quarter comeback. Of course the most famous of which is the "Miracle at the New Meadowlands" where the Eagles erased a 21 point deficit in 8 minutes and win the game on a DeSean Jackson TD return with no time left. His TD in that game was the first "walk off" punt return in NFL history and marked his fourth TD of 30+ yards against the Giants.
As for some notable connections between the teams. Eagles WR Steve Smith was drafted by the GIants and played there four years making a pro bowl in 2009. Giants head coach Tom Coughlin was a receivers coach for the Eagles from 1984-85 and G Stacey Andrews played in 10 games for the Eagles in 2009.
This is the 159th meeting between these two teams. The Giants hold the overall series advantage at 84-72-4, while the Eagles are 13-11 against the Giants under Andy Reid.
The Eagles have officially listed Michael Vick as questionable for this weekend's home opener against the Giants, but all signs point to hi being ready to play. He has been symptom free after suffering a concussion last week against the Falcons and was recently cleared by an independent neurosurgeon to return to practice. Plus, the QB himself says he's ready to go.
"I feel great and ready to play, nothing feels different. So I feel like I've worked myself back into good condition and playing shape and I'm ready to go." Vick continued, "There's no reason to think that I won't play on Sunday. I think after having two good practices, basically I'll be able to go out there, and I'm very excited about the opportunity to go out and play against the New York Football Giants."
The hit that Vick took which caused the concussion was really kind of a fluke where he ended up smacking helmets with his own guy and he says it's not going to change the way he plays.
"You know, I haven't even thought about getting hit. I play this game to win, not thinking about the consequences of staying in the pocket or running or not or getting hit when I run with the football. So I think you just have to play with confidence and not try to worry about it and put it in the back of your mind and let things play out for itself."
He was also asked whether he thought the Giants would be coming after him with extra blitzes in an attempt to get him out of the game?
"I mean, they want me out of the game because they don't want me in the game. I mean, having to deal with me for 60 minutes, I understand the magnitude of that. So it's fun, it's a game and that's why I'm here. And I play the way I play for a reason and we're going to have fun. I look forward to the challenge, competitively, and we're excited about it over here. I know they've been doing a lot of talking but they're the New York Football Giants."
Plus, Vick says he knows what the Giants are going to do with their blitzing and he plans to be prepared.
"I've improved a lot in picking up the blitz, in seeing the blitz, knowing where to go with the blitz outlets. We know New York's MO, we know what they like to do, and I've watched them on film plenty of times. I watched all the games from last year. I watched the last two games. I watched them in preseason. So I know what they like to do, so it's going to be a great game and I can't wait until Sunday."
The Eagles announced that Michael Vick was cleared by an independent neurosurgeon today and was a full participant in practice. Getting cleared by the independent doctor is the final step in the NFL’s concussion protocol, so at this point it seems all but certain that Michael Vick will get the start this weekend when the Eagles host the Giants in their home opener.
Head coach Andy Reid already said earlier this week that if Vick was cleared to play, then he would be playing. So it doesn’t take much connecting of the dots to assume that Michael Vick will be playing this weekend.
Vick was listed as a full participant in practice today. Speaking to the media earlier, Eagles offensive coordinator Marty Mornhinweg said that Vick looked “great” in practice.
“Oh absolutely, yeah. He has a great mentality, he looks great so we’ll see. Like you said, it’s not quite all in his hands, so we’ll see.”
While Michael Vick has not been a full participant in practice this week, he is otherwise preparing to play like nay other week. According to offensive coordinator Marty Mornhinweg, it’s been mostly like a normal week with Vick.“Really, he’s been in mostly every meeting,” said Mornhinweg, “and so all of that has been normal routine, unless he’s had a doctor appointment or [head athletic trainer] Rick [Burkholder] needed him or something like that, but otherwise it’s been routine for him.”
However, if Vick can’t play, Marty was asked if he would have a different gameplan depending on which QB (Kafka or Vince Young) play? His answer was actually surprising.‘Well, the unique thing that we have, although I’ve been through it before, is a left-hander and two right-handers. So that’s a little bit different, otherwise it’s very manageable. That’s what we do, we prepare ourselves, and then if at any position if a man is unavailable, then the next man comes in a plays just as well or even better. That’s what the expectations are, and so that’s what we do. But other than a left-hander and a right-hander it’s business as usual there."
That’s actually something I hadn’t considered. That basically everything they would have planned to do with rollout plays and what not, would be flipped with a righty at QB. It also would alter most of what the defense would do. Generally defenses will try to bring pressure to force Vick to roll out to his right, however they will flip all those blitzes if there was a righty at QB. Obviously the preparation for those blitzes has to be different.
Finally, while Vick’s concussion really was a fluke kind of play, Marty did say that they’re working on ways to make sure he isn’t getting hit as much as he has.
“Yeah, and we’ve discussed that and I don’t want to get into details on that but I want to see Mike keep himself clean and minimize [the hits he takes] – now the one that he got the injury on there was nothing quarterback-wise that he could have done, but there’s been others, so I’d like to minimize that and he’d like to minimize that. Some of it is his style of play, and certainly you don’t want to take that style of play away from him, but I do want to minimize the hits and there are several things we can do there.”
Eagles QB Michael Vick is said to be progressing well as he goes through the NFL's mandated concussion protocol this week. Head trainer Rick Burkholder says that while Vick is still experiencing soreness in his jaw and neck, his baseline concussion test was "very close to normal" and that he doesn't have any symptoms. Burkholder did warn however, that sometimes symptoms can reappear later in the week. The Eagles also revealed that an MRI Vick had done yesterday was negative.
The says that Vick is progressing through the process "as expected" but wouldn't offer a guess as to whether he might be ready to play this week. However, Andy Reid said that if Vick is cleared to play, then he will playing. Vick was on the practice field today for the team walkthrough, but was only doing some light throwing. The next step will be for him to have further "impact testing" after tomorrow's practice to see if he has any lingering symptoms. If he does not, the final step is for him to see an independent neurologist. If and when that doctor clears him, Vick will be free to play again.
So while it is too early to say either way whether Vick will be ready for the weekend, the general feeling around the NovaCare complex appears to be an optimistic one. Should he not be ready to go, Andy Reid says he has not yet decided on whether Mike Kafka or Vince Young would get the start. That decision likely depends heavily on the state of Vince Young's hamstring, which was injured in the final preseason game against the Jets.
The Eagles host the Giants in their home opener this weekend and the big question is whether QB Michael Vick will be ready to start or not. He sustained a concussion late in the third quarter of this past Sunday's game against the Falcons and needs to pass all of the NFL's mandated concussion tests before being cleared to play. Eagles trainer Rick Burkholder detailed the process of that testing right here. Head coach Andy Reid sounded encouraged by his conversations with Vick, but says "the test won't lie"
"The test, that won't lie to us. The test is what it is." Reid said "That's what it is so you go by that. We're not going to fudge anything, if he's injured he's injured and we move on. I know he wants to play; I talked to him at length after we met the media, after I met with you guys, I had an opportunity to sit down with him and talk to him, and he remembered everything, recalled everything. I tried to quiz him a little bit on things and see where he was at. He was frustrated from the fact that he wasn't able to finish. Obviously, he had a little vested interest in finishing the game there, and wanted to and so on."
Reid did that say Vick would not necessarily have to practice this week in order to play on Sunday against the Giants. Reid said that there's no deadline for him to decide whether Vick can play or not?
"I'm lucky that I'm the head coach and I get to make that decision any day I want. We'll see, we'll see how it goes. The one thing we know is that it's a complicated defense that's coming in, they run a lot of different things against you, and so you would like the guy that's starting to get as many reps as he possibly can. On the other hand of that, Michael has played against them and I think they've given you about every look they could possibly give you over the last couple of games, I'm saying the last couple of Giants games. So that's just something I'll have to weigh when we get there."
As for whether Vince Young would be healthy enough to play in Vick's play or whether he would give Mike Kafka a shot? Reid non-committal.
"I've got to think through the whole thing here. First of all, we told Michael to sleep in if possible and get some rest here, so I've not met with him today. Rick's got him coming in later. I'll have a chance to talk with him, see how everything unfolds, and I'm fortunate that I've got two other quarterbacks that I have confidence in. I'll sit down with both of them as we go, if it ends up being that with Michael where he can't play."
Michael Vick sustained a concussion at the end of the third quarter of Sunday night's game against the Falcons. He will now go through the NFL's mandated concussion protocol this week as he races to be healthy for this weekend's home opener against the New York Giants. Eagles head athletic trainer Rick Burkholder met the media yesterday to update Michael Vick's condition and to detail the process they'll go through with him this week.
"He'll go through our protocol of the rehab process that I've outlined for you before,: Burkholder said, "he'll see an independent neurologist, have impact testing, he'll have an MRI as part of our protocol, and we'll go from there. Right now, no he hasn't had impact testing, no he hasn't had an MRI, no we haven't checked his baseline again because I haven't seen him, I have him resting right now. As the days go on we'll see, but last night he was pretty good. He told coach he was fine, he told his teammates he was fine, he told me he was fine, and he was very far along last night."
Burkholder said that Vick was very close to the baseline range that says it's not a concussion.
"He was pretty close. He was pretty close. I'm not going to give you numbers, but he was pretty close. We had to make a medical decision with him. We made the right medical decision and we went with that. He was close."
Also, as we've heard, Vick did feel like he could get back into the game and wanted to be out there.
"Listen, as much as we all think it's an exact science, and easy and everything, every one of these guys wants to play. We had a bunch of guys nicked up last night, every guy on that roster wanted to play last night including Michael Vick. That's when Dr. Dorshimer and I had to make a decision to figure out what was really going on and it's the way it was. Even after the game, coach can tell you, he felt like he could have finished the game, and pulled it out and all the stuff that Mike is as a competitor, that's what makes it very tough to handle these situations. That's the way it is. We don't have a guy on the roster that doesn't want to play."
So the tone seems to have some optimism there. The initial concussion did not appear to be severe, but of course that doesn't mean he'll necessarily be ready to go by the weekend. It's not really about how bad your concussion is, the standard is whether you have one or not. Just because it's mild doesn't necessarily mean the effects will go away quickly. As we've learned, this is a very inexact science. Sometimes you recover very quickly, other times the effect linger for months (see Sidney Crosby).
Michael Vick has been taken out of the game with what could be a concussion after smacking helmets with Eagles RT Todd Herremans. Vick was taken down after a throw fairly lightly, but on his way down he collided helmets with Todd Herremans and was very slow to get up. When he did, you could see him spitting up blood as he walked off the field and looked completely out of sorts on the sidelines. He could be seen clearly holding his head on the bench.
It was really just a bad luck kind of play. Vick wasn’t even hit hard and had his head up watching for what was happening after the pass. It was just incidental contact with Herremans, but it was violent. Vick has now been taken to the locker room for concussion tests. He looked a little better walking off than he did sitting on the bench, but is still clearly feeling the effects of the shot.
Vick’s exit made way for Mike Kafka, who handed off to LeSean McCoy for a TD to put the Eagles up 31-21 heading into the 4th quarter.
[Note by JasonB, 09/18/11 11:18 PM EDT ] The Eagles are now saying that Vick is out with a neck injury and that he bit his tongue. No word on a possible return.
[Note by JasonB, 09/19/11 12:05 AM EDT ] In his post game press conference Andy Reid confirmed that Vick suffered a concussion. So his status for next week is doubt.
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